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Wingnut
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| Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 12:35 am Post subject: Street Fighting |
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Hi, I study a style of martial arts which has several different styles in it, utilising some points from each. The Styles main base is in kickboxing, and using grappling, wrestling, karate and other styles too, its registered name is Combative Arts. The style is taught very full on with an emphasis on reali life confrontations. My trainer has told me a few things in my time at the class about confrontation in the street or any situation outside the confines of a ring with set rules. I am curious as to which of these people will agree with:
Most street fights break out at a range of 12 to 18 inches
Go to the ground in a crowded area and your in serious trouble
As a general guideline, avoid kicking above the waist, but if you get the chance to kick, your obviously far back enough to turn and get the hell out of dodge and not have to risk your life.
Biting is acceptable to defend yourself in a serious confrontation.
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Chiggy von Richtofen
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| Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 3:48 am Post subject: Re: Street Fighting |
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| Wingnut wrote: | | Biting is acceptable to defend yourself in a serious confrontation. |
In what I'd term a "serious confrontation", I'd say any damn thing whatsoever is acceptable to get you out of there alive.
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Wingnut
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| Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Nice to see your sane..I once met a karate student who said it would be dishonorable to hit somone on the ground , even if they had a knife.....idiot....
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Arthus
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| Wingnut wrote: | | Nice to see your sane..I once met a karate student who said it would be dishonorable to hit somone on the ground , even if they had a knife.....idiot.... |
Never kick them when they're down, just get rid of the knife, a fair fight is a fun one.
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Chiggy von Richtofen
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| Wingnut wrote: | | Nice to see your sane..I once met a karate student who said it would be dishonorable to hit somone on the ground , even if they had a knife.....idiot.... |
If the situation is serious enough that a guy has pulled a knife, and you've got him on the ground, you fuck the bastard up. If he has pulled a knife on an unarmed opponent, all bets on "honour" are out the window. On the honour stakes, this scumbag lost the instant he armed himself. If somebody pulls a knife on you they are threatening your life. If you get them on the ground somehow, you do not let them get back up - attacking an unarmed opponenent while armed yourself is the act of an honourless curr, who is undeserving of any respect or courtesy whatsover. Whatever you do at that stage, you can later say was done in a blind panic because your life had been threatened. Honour is an important thing, but so is recognizing when the situation does not call for it.
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M@lice
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Don't take chances if a guy has a knife. If he's down i'd probably try and break somethin, (ribs are always a gud choice). Mind i hope i'm never in such a situation as it could be me who ends up on the ground. 
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Chiggy von Richtofen
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| Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 10:39 am Post subject: |
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| M@lice wrote: | | Don't take chances if a guy has a knife. If he's down i'd probably try and break somethin, (ribs are always a gud choice). Mind i hope i'm never in such a situation as it could be me who ends up on the ground. |
the head is a much more inviting target on sombody who has just threatened you with a knife, and its much more likley to stop the guy getting up to threaten you again.
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Capt. Flame Retardant
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May I suggest the venerable art of Fuguistu, from the latin meaning to flee.
First distract your opponent; this can be done directly or indirectly.
Example directly: give him (her) your wallet with your PIN numbers written onthe pink slip to your car.
Example Indirectly: explain to him (her) how your mum massaged you for years while your father stood before revealing himself (in the form of esoteric knowledge) while carefully placing your wallet, with your PIN numbers on the pink slip for your car, on the ground before him (her). Then innocently point to the wallet asking if that's his (hers). while s/he looks at it, scaream like a girl (or if you're a girl you can scream like a guy screaming like a girl).
either way the important thing is run, run home and hide, barricade yourself into your home for a week and meditate on ahimsa (non-violence) as a guiding priviple in your life.
then launder your underwear and return to the kindergarten where you are ready to face up to that bully.
Please be careful implementing any of my advice here as the practitioners of Fuguitsu are all trained marathon runners.
If you found this advice useful it is most likely that you did not follow the bullshit advice of anybody else on this thread, where, after a half hearted grab at the knife (6 stitches) and your opponent falling over laughing at you, you miss his head and stub your foot (possible cast) whereby his mates hold you down, sodomise you (3 more stitches in the wazoo) and pulp you (organ donation from a close [though embarrassed} family member).
only fight if its your granny and she's in the wrong.
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m0x1e
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| Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Capt. Flame Retardant wrote: | May I suggest the venerable art of Fuguistu, from the latin meaning to flee.
First distract your opponent; this can be done directly or indirectly.
Example directly: give him (her) your wallet with your PIN numbers written onthe pink slip to your car.
Example Indirectly: explain to him (her) how your mum massaged you for years while your father stood before revealing himself (in the form of esoteric knowledge) while carefully placing your wallet, with your PIN numbers on the pink slip for your car, on the ground before him (her). Then innocently point to the wallet asking if that's his (hers). while s/he looks at it, scaream like a girl (or if you're a girl you can scream like a guy screaming like a girl).
either way the important thing is run, run home and hide, barricade yourself into your home for a week and meditate on ahimsa (non-violence) as a guiding priviple in your life.
then launder your underwear and return to the kindergarten where you are ready to face up to that bully.
Please be careful implementing any of my advice here as the practitioners of Fuguitsu are all trained marathon runners.
If you found this advice useful it is most likely that you did not follow the bullshit advice of anybody else on this thread, where, after a half hearted grab at the knife (6 stitches) and your opponent falling over laughing at you, you miss his head and stub your foot (possible cast) whereby his mates hold you down, sodomise you (3 more stitches in the wazoo) and pulp you (organ donation from a close [though embarrassed} family member).
only fight if its your granny and she's in the wrong. |
Harsh, man. Harsh and unnecessary...but oh so funny.
Re: Streetfighting, every single streetfight I have ever been a witness to has been over within three strikes. Every streetfight I have been a part of has been over in one (I hate having a glass jaw!). Morihei Ueshiba himself said that 70% of any fight is atemi (striking). The moral? Grappling is pretty but expect a trained striker and you won't get any ugly surprises, expect a grappler and you'll fall victim to his uppercut and then it's cue the sodomising...
As an interesting point, I wouldn't regard my bank card or jewellery as something worth getting stabbed over so I don't see myself taking on an armed opponent unless I knew I was fucked anyway.
Oh, and groundfighting outside the dojo is pure suicide, your sensei was right.
Mox
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Capt. Flame Retardant
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the moxster has praised me....
the good capt is humbled. to add to the moxmyth, i bow...
the moxie meister has an honorary blackbelt in fuguitsu. wazae!!!
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Asmo
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Please, dont give him any more titles!
So overall the consescus is that if the opponent is armed, run like fuck, if they arent, strikes are the best way to fight?
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crashaid
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| Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: Street Fighting |
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| Wingnut wrote: | | As a general guideline, avoid kicking above the waist, but if you get the chance to kick, your obviously far back enough to turn and get the hell out of dodge and not have to risk your life. |
But don't trun and run if it's putting your back to them. We try to reduce battles of strength with good technique - battles of speed are no fun either. 
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Capt. Flame Retardant
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 10:16 am Post subject: Re: Street Fighting |
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| crashaid wrote: | | Wingnut wrote: | | As a general guideline, avoid kicking above the waist, but if you get the chance to kick, your obviously far back enough to turn and get the hell out of dodge and not have to risk your life. |
But don't trun and run if it's putting your back to them. We try to reduce battles of strength with good technique - battles of speed are no fun either. |
dont run if it puts your back to him?? backwards running sounds like a blackbelt technique...
always run. always. fights are for the locals. if our wit and charm have failed to cool the situation, then all is lost.
seriously, martial arts or not, if'n you're fighting then you're an ejit.
amen.
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crashaid
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Oops, I didn't make it plain. You're right, fighting is a last resort, so don't give them an easy chance to hurt you. Running is a bad idea if they can catch up with you. If you can get away then you shouldn't hesitate to go. Turning your back to someone who intend to harm you is only giving them a target you can't defend.
Being able to walk/run away is the first, last and only goal in self-defense.
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