"Sport" Martial Arts

the Luggage · Posted: Thu May 15, 2003 8:08 pm Post subject: "Sport" Martial Arts

Hmmm...I supose this is where this thread should go.
So, I do martial arts, as do quite a few people.I may suck at them, but hey, I try.
The reason I do martial arts is purely for self defence.Not fitness, not enjoyment, not to become one with the universe, but for self defence.
So I don't see much point in "sport" martial arts-adaptations of martial arts for sports, with little practical use in the street or whatever.I know this biased slightly, but does no-one else feel that these watered down versions are damaging to the art as a whole.So what do you all think?
Sheep f you think this is out of place I'm sorry.It seemed the best place to put it.

Ros · Posted: Thu May 15, 2003 8:21 pm Post subject:

if you want to see a completely non-sport orientated form of martial arts go look up silat .. there are no belts just teacher or pupil it originates from the philipines and apparently was developed by a guy who only had one arm and a limp. As a result it assumes your been attacked by multiple armed enemies, and therefore you want to take them out as quick as possible.
This fighting style didn't develope a spiritual or cerimonial aspect as did many others and as a result evolved into something quite lethal

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the Luggage · Posted: Thu May 15, 2003 8:24 pm Post subject:

Cool, something similar is Ninjitsu, which is quite simply a very effective way of fighting.There is some tradition and philosophy, but this is mostly just intended to help you understand the techniques more.

Mith · Posted: Thu May 15, 2003 8:27 pm Post subject:

Then there is jujitsu which seemingly doesn't have a sport variant which I can well understand because it would lead to multiple deaths in competitions.

Oh and luggage join the club on being crap we don't have restrictive membership Wink

Buffy · Posted: Fri May 16, 2003 1:29 pm Post subject:

I dunno. I've done a session or two of sport karate, and I thought it was great. I (attempt) to do jujitsu, and that's great, and hopefully one day I'll be able to defend myself. But I do the sport karate I (and will continue) because its a good workout, its a relatively fun way to keep fit, and I don't particularly see it as less valuable than something like jujitsu. It's done as a sport, not as a watered down defense system.

As long as you realise that you're not being taught it as a martial art, but as a sport, then I don't see the problem.

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Ragdoll · Posted: Fri May 16, 2003 3:22 pm Post subject:

mm I was thinking of getting into Aikido next year. I've heard alot of good things about it. Hopefully it's not vital to be good the minute you start I suck at almost everything I've tried here club-wise.
Still I don't think the main reason for joining this would be for self defence I appologise to everyone else if I offend by this but I reakon that some people are born with a dogged ability to fight and others just have to use diplomacy or run like the bejesus if they ever find themselves in a dangerous situation and I think I'm from category B.

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saoilí · Posted: Fri May 16, 2003 4:46 pm Post subject:

Hm, I dunno. I personally wouldn't want to get in a scrap with anyone who had done Judo for over a year.*

*Not that I would want to get into a scrap with anyone really, being the peaceful sort, it's just that I particularly want to not get in a fight with a Judo head.

m0x1e · Posted: Fri May 16, 2003 5:05 pm Post subject:

why a Judoka in particular? I can think of much nastier martial arts with far scarier practitioners (Boxers, for a start!) so why's Judo so scary?
Not that it isn't but it rarely comes up in the "Fuck, he's so hard. He does ----do" conversations.

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the Luggage · Posted: Fri May 16, 2003 5:13 pm Post subject:

Hmmm.OK, a I suppose I just don't understand actually wanting to get into fights just for a competition.Lets faceit-I'm a coward really! Laughing

I dunno.I just worry when someone who's been studying an art for say ten years decides that a particular technique is pointless, and leaves it out of his or her classes.How can anyone be sure a technique is useless?It usually take quite a long time for an art to form, and we just throw away years of thought in a single stroke?Seems foolish.I know a lot of schools don't teach forms or whatever you want to call them, but even with my limited experience I can see that they do have a use.

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Same for me, I did two weeks of Judo at the beginning of primary school, but when the teacher and my parents realised that I refused to fight and just wanted to wear the costume (At that time, I didn't care they call it kimono or Strong towel! Laughing

) and lie on the tatami, they give up. I've never tried since, though I regret a bit to be unable to defend myself in case of...

m0x1e · Posted: Fri May 16, 2003 5:34 pm Post subject:

actually, you may have more of an advantage in knowing you can't defend yourself because that way you'd be more likely to run away and not initiate confrontation. a very common trap that low-graded martial artists fall into is believing they know more than they actually do. they learn a few techniques, a kata or two, and some basic sparring...the next thing you know, they think they can handle anyone and anything.

happened to me when i was about sixteen. i picked a fight with some huge squaddie and never even got a chance to throw a punch. no sooner had i dropped into a fighting stance than he'd flattened me with just one punch. i learned two valuable things that night; I have a glass jaw, and never pick a fight unneccessarily.

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the Luggage · Posted: Fri May 16, 2003 5:40 pm Post subject:

Being the king of having the stuffing knocked out of me, I can attest to that.I had spent a year doing kick boxing and then got into a fight with a guy who was giving me grief in school.I tried to hi-ya my way through him, and ended up almost dead.So for that reason I make sure my training is rigourous and self defence orientated.Of course, nothing is fully effective, and any art or disipline studied just gives you a better chance perhaps.

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Dave_The_Sheep · Posted: Sat May 17, 2003 12:02 am Post subject:

Well said, Moxie.

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