Martial Arts Definitions

Gael · Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 6:51 pm Post subject: Martial Arts Definitions

As someone who knows feck alll about these things, I was curious as to the differences between the various martial arts and their origins, karate, aikido etc.
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Ragdoll · Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 8:22 pm Post subject:

yeah always wondered myself.

petals · The Shy One Joined: 21 Feb 2004 Posts: 4962 Location: gone

I know very little martial arts wise but yee could check this out: www.ultimatejujitsu.com It might teach ya something. Confused

As for the rest I'd say Mox or someone else will know more.
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m0x1e · Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 4:04 am Post subject:

Right, it's dead simple...
<pauses to scratch head>
...
Idea

Well actually, it's not really that simple. Here goes:

Most martial arts instructors who don't want to get into hours of pointless arguing with their peers will hesitate to answer these kind of questions to any great degree so I hope you'll forgive my vagueness on the subject. Martial arts can be broadly grouped by country of origin:

America:

Brazil:

China:

England:

France:

Hawaii:

India/Pakistan:

Israel:

Japan:

Korea:

Okinawa:

Russia:

Thailand:

The above list is by no means exhaustive and is just what I could think of after a few moments' thought. The other main ways to describe martial arts are along the following criteria. I haven't slotted most of them into any categories because too many of the lines blur for most of the arts (eg. most arts renowned for being "unarmed" teach weapons at higher levels).

Combat Art

vs. Sport

Grappling Art

vs. Striking Art

Weapon Art

vs. Unarmed Art

Defensive Art

vs. Offensive Art

Internal Art

vs. External Art

Traditional Art

vs. Modern Art

Lastly it's important to remember that all of these classifications are very nice on paper but each and every instructor will add their own spin onto the way they teach any given art to the point that even two instructors trained by exactly the same Sensei for the same amount of time will have remarkably different fighting styles, let alone two people doing the same art in different dojos. An example would be myself and Sensei Downes. We both started training at about the same time but his background as a boxer and mine as a stamp collector mean that he teaches a very punch-heavy, combative style while I teach a softer, more stylised version of exactly the same art. To compound all this is the fact that neither of us would be particularly strong kickers but Dylan, who studies the same art in Britain, is one of the better kickers I've seen. It's an old (and corny!) saying, but very true, that there are as many martial arts as there are martial artists.

Thia was probably of no help whatsoever but unfortunately martial arts just aren't as cut and dried these days as they used to be. The best thing to do is just attend a few classes of any art that looks interesting, talk to the instructor, and then make your own judgements.

Mox
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Gael · Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 1:05 pm Post subject:

I see....

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Bon · Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 8:25 am Post subject:

Anyone got any idea what Bela Diri is?
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m0x1e · Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:24 pm Post subject:

Never heard of it, sounds Indian or something similar.
What is it?

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Bon · Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:39 pm Post subject:

Dunno .. MS are running courses in it ... Hang on a sec and I'll pull out the blurb ...

A 10 week course, which teaches you how to defend yourself from the 10 most common empty hands and weapons attack. From simple one on one situation to how to successfully defend against multiple attackers, or to what to do if you fall on the ground. Each week we will take one attack situation and show you how to defend against it.

Students will also learn how to Punch, Elbow, Kick and Knee as well as some basic hand drills to developed hand speed and co-ordination Cane and Knife drills from the south east Asian martial drills will be taught so you have the ability to defend your self from an attacker yielding a weapon.

Basic common self defence knowledge will be discussed to lower your chance of being a victim.

From what google tells me it's indonesian .. but never heard of it!
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Buffy · Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:44 pm Post subject:

I've been doing some reading - it would appear to be of indonesian origin.

What I've found is (as far as I could read, a lot of the info was actually in indonesian) that, rather than being its own separate martial art, it appears to be a part of Pencak Silat.

Bon · Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:48 pm Post subject:

See thats just it .. I've found sites that say its part of Silat, Tae Kwon Do, Aikido and Jeet Kune Do - so much confusion ensued!

Best quote on the matter ever:
"Fighting is a dangerous and gross misuse of time."

Seems to me that they are trying to sex up self-defence with a cool name! Incidentally, the instructor they have doing it does Tae-Bo and Aikido (in 10 lessons)
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Buffy · Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 3:03 pm Post subject:

Hmm, maybe it's one of those martial arts they've stuck together from lots of different ones?
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Bon · Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 3:06 pm Post subject:

Yeah, but whatever desire that I had to start it evaporated when I learned that the ENTIRE aikido course was 10 weeks and promised much the same stuff as the Beladiri course, which offers the same as the Silat course by another instructor which offers the same as the beginner martial arts course which offers the same as the tae kwon do course ....
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m0x1e · Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:20 pm Post subject:

Run AWAY from the Americanised, consumer-packaged Eastern wisdom!
As for the Jeet Kune Do thing, bearing in mind that Bruce Lee ripped off pretty much every concievable martial art when he created Jeet Kune Do, it more than likely does have a basis in there too. Oh, and for the record, other martial arts rip off, plagiarise, or stamp collect, we rediscover! Got it?

Mox
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Bon · Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:23 pm Post subject:

*grin*

yes sensai! rediscover!

*takes out notepad and rights it down - "When we nick stuff we 'rediscover' it"*

Gottit!
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Buffy · Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:23 pm Post subject:

Maybe we should have put that in the club writeup...
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m0x1e · Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:27 pm Post subject:

Nah, save it for the Kiai-Mokusi-Ryu website.

Buffy · Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:29 pm Post subject:

A website? Really?
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Bon · Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 2:57 pm Post subject:

Just saw a demonstration of Tiger Silat today ... very pretty Smile

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m0x1e · Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 8:16 am Post subject:

Oh?
Do tell.
Where?

Mox
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