Ki/Qi/Ch'i

Son Goku · Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:14 pm Post subject: Ki/Qi/Ch'i

I think this is the best forum to post this in.
So what does everyone think about it. How many of you would say it exists.

Näive · Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:57 pm Post subject:

Having seen the Shaolin Monks in action about 2 years ago in the Point I have to say I'm a definite believer. They can do some amazing things and it's all based on the use of Chi.
In fact they are back in Ireland in a few weeks. They're doing the show in the Tallaght Basketball Arena on the 14th of this month I think.
Using a long wooden hafted spear they place the butt on the ground beside another monks foot. They then place the point of the spear against their throat and lean into it with all their weight. Seeing the spear bend the way it does makes you swallow just to make sure your own throat is still working :?

http://www.kungfulibrary.com/shaolin-kung-fu-5.htm This website has some stuff on it but it's not very clear

Razz · Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 4:08 pm Post subject:

I do think it exsits yes.
In fact on more than one occaosion i have seen and conducted experimental evidence to the existence of Chi/Ki/Qi!
Energy created by and channeled by one's own body and thought!

The Viking · Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 6:41 pm Post subject:

That depends on how you define Chi/Ki/Qi - if you mean the energy that some, including Shaolin monks, use - then yes it exists. But that is a combination of many things, including concentration, rigorous training, and other "normal" things.

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m0x1e · Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 12:15 pm Post subject:

Both wing and myself know a few tricks to do with cultivating and harnessing it, and I'd reckon Asterix could teach us all a thing or two as well. Chi's not supernatural, we all have it, it never went away, and we all use it every single day of our lives.

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M@lice · Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 12:24 pm Post subject:

I like to think of it as an alternative way of thinking about strength fitness and well being.

In the west we believe that hard training and building up strength will develope and improve the person in their dicipline.

In the east they believe that you have a chi and that through dedication and discipline you can tap into the power of your chi. Those who have this ability are better in what they do.

Of course to learn how to master your chi requires much training. I just think that the eastern way is a much better way of thinking about it. Its like zen.

Asmo · Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 12:33 pm Post subject:

A mixture of discipline and centre and maybe other things I know nothing about (not that I know anything about the two former things) could explain Chi in my mind.
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bluewolf · Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:08 pm Post subject:

Course it exists. And everyone has it I suppose, just a question of being able to work with it and the like...
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Son Goku · Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:31 pm Post subject:

Ah cool, most people think it exists. I'm a definite believer in it.

crashaid · Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 5:51 am Post subject:

m0x1e · Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 11:55 am Post subject:

Sounds like the belief that there are two energies, or two opposed forms of Chi if you like:
Yin:Passive, dark, contemplative, also called Death Chi but this is a gross simplification.
Yang:Active, bright, vibrant, spontaneous, also called Life Chi but, again this is a massive simplification.
Some groups believe that one or the other type of energy is predominant in everyone. Yin-aspected people find it easier to cultivate their Yin and use it to harm wherear Yang-aspected people find it easier to heal using their energies. According to people who seem to know what's what, I'm apparently Yin-aspected but I'm not sure exactly how much the belief is worth, it seems to come from the same school of thought that says darkness is a form of energy that opposes light.

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crashaid · Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 4:28 pm Post subject:

I am both informed and more confused at the same time.

m0x1e · Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 4:39 pm Post subject:

What needs clarification? Ask away, that way we both get to look really smart when we debate this stuff. <Grin>
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wing · Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2004 12:33 pm Post subject:

I can tackle this from the healing end.

There are two lines of Chi that flow through the human body. They start at the crown of the head and run all the way down to the feet. These lines flow through the body in paths that look like two overlapping sine waves. Where these "waves" overlap, we get centres of energy, or chackras (from the sanskrit word for wheel).

These chackras each vibrate at a different frequency and, as a result, respond to the different functions of the body/mind whatever. By harnessing the energies produced at these chackras, a healer can effect the part of the body that responds to that chakra.

As to wether or not I believe in the existance of trees, as soon ask me if I believe in the existance of air. While I cannot see either, I can verify there existance experimentally time and time again. There is no need for esoteric initiation in order to feel or, to some small extent, control your chi. However, mucking around with your chi in an uninformed manner can unbalance the flow of energy, thus making you ill, and is therefore unadvisable.

m0x1e · Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2004 12:40 pm Post subject:

Cheers Wingnut. You know any more than me about the whole harming/healing hands aspect thing?

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wing · Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2004 1:22 pm Post subject:

Ok, these chackras should be balanced, emmitting and absorbing energy from their surroundings at an equal rate and thus keeping the body free of Su'Chi (negative or stagnant Chi) but if a chackra gets blocked Su'Chi will build up or if a chackra is absorbing too much Su'Chi will build up.

Either of these will adversely effect the person, if done slowly it will make them ill, if done instantaneously, it would just kill them. For example: Chi-punch to the sternum causing heart attacks, chi-punch to stomach liquifies stomach, etc.

Funnily enough, fixing the problems is far easier and more satisfying than causing them.

m0x1e · Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2004 1:30 pm Post subject:

really?
<Hides Flaming Death Palm Behind Back>
what I was on about is the idea that some people are naturally aspected to one sort or another, any insight?

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wing · Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2004 1:32 pm Post subject:

Are we talking about Yin and Yang (sp?) or the elemental forces here? While both are a fundamental part of our understanding of chi, I need to know which you're talking about before I can give an informed opinion.

m0x1e · Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2004 1:37 pm Post subject:

Not sure, tbh, I took it as a Yin/Yang thing largely because it was phrased to me that I most certainly do not have healer's hands and, in fact find it easier to harm with my energies. A different but in no way less reputable person told me that I have "Negative Energy", just wondering how this all comes together.

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wing · Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2004 2:07 pm Post subject:

That, as far as I understand it, boils down to three basic factors.

1) The amount of energy you emit/absorb.

If you reppresent this as a scale ranging from -1 to 1, most people exist somewhere above 0 and below 1. You, on the other hand, are as close to 0 as I have ever come accross. I know of one or two people below 0 and conversation drops when they're in the room, they suck the atmosphere out of the room and you can find yourself feeling drained if you're in their presence for too long (yes moxie I am talking about him)

2) There is Yin and Yang.

These break down into the opposing forces of nature. Yin is the representitive of the female, the growth, yielding, supple, coldness. Yang is the male, destruction, strength, unyielding, warmth. You, moxie, are mostly Yang

3) There are the elements.
Earth, Fire, Water, Wood, Metal
Earth, Fire, Air, Water, Spirit/Ether/Void.
These are the two main methods of representing the elemental realms of chi. Everyone has one element that they are strongest with and one element they are weakest against. The main factors in deciding your element are the time of year you were born, the year itself, illnesses in birth, illnesses in early childhood, near death experiences, psychological diseases, etc. As to what this has to do with this conversation, not a lot really but it's good to know.