Bottles.

m0x1e · Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 10:38 am Post subject: Bottles.

Ever wonder what it is within the human psyche that makes us immediately gravitate to bottles if a fight kicks off when we're out?
Thing is, quite often bottles break longitudinally rather than laterally and that's when people's hands start needing stitches.
Just a thought...

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jc · Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 1:44 pm Post subject:

Well think about it ,

Usuall you are in a bar and drinking so there is a lot of glass bottles sitting around. A fight breaks out you grab whatever is to hand as a weapon....the bottle is probably the closest to you and you are thinking smash the glass it hurt them.

Ragdoll · Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 2:39 pm Post subject:

It's also probably relatively easier to slash someone then it is to pound them useing your own fists. A while less painful for person weilding the bottle but alot more painful for the recipriant. Maximiseing on pain to the other person and minimseing on effort and pain for ones-self. Confused

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the_syco · Banned Joined: 03 Feb 2003 Posts: 2041 Location: Leixlip

Some bottles smash easily so that they can't be used as weapons. Its too stop the old "smash bottom of bottle of wall = instant knife type weapon".
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m0x1e · Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 11:12 am Post subject:

What I mean is that I've seen enough bottles split lengthways, leaving their would-be wielder holding nothing but a fistful of glass and his own blood, that I wouldn't be too quick to pick one up. Just wondering what y'all have to say about it.

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Chiggy von Richtofen · Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 11:20 am Post subject:

The way I'd see it, there's a couple of ways it could go.

1) You could -not- pick up the bottle, and then get the shit kicked out of you.

2) You could pick up the bottle, smash it, bloody up your own hand, and then get the shit kicket out of you.

3) You could pick up the bottle, smash it, and wield it as your own personal instrument of death.

Considering that unless I pick up the bottle and smash it, I've got a 100% chance of having the shit kicked out of me, which way should I go?
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m0x1e · Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 11:45 am Post subject:

If you're wondering seriously I'd say try not to resort to using a weapon and if you really have to, use an ashtray or something blunt that doesn't have as much of a chance of killing someone, like a pool cue. If you're desperate to bottle someone, let go of it just before it hits him. That way even if it does smash the wrong way it won't slash your hand up.

<Digression>A lot of people break the bottle before hitting someone with it, I never quite understood why. A broken bottle is good for one, max two, strikes. A whole bottle is good for one extra. Why break it off a table when his head will suffice?</Digression>

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underscore · ~~--SuperMod--~~ Joined: 28 May 2002 Posts: 1503

Because people will put their hands up to stop an assault from a fully formed bottle. People tend to back away from sharp objects. Plus with a broken bottle you only need to get it to their skin, you don't need as much force to wound them.

The only place you're realistically going to hit someone with a bottle and smash it is the head, which would be pretty easy to block , I would imagine.

(that said , I am not a trained fighter)
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m0x1e · Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 12:58 pm Post subject:

Hmmm, I would presume that if you're reduced to actually grabbing a weapon then the situation has escalated and it's a him-or-you choice. This being the case, I wouldn't put too much stock in a bottle doing much more than annoying a really determined assailant anyway so take the possibility of an extra strike over the possibility of intimidating him into backing off.
When all's said and done, never pick up or draw a weapon you're not willing to use, and never presume an antagonis brandishing a weapon is bluffing!

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Capt. Flame Retardant · Living it up Joined: 28 Jul 2004 Posts: 462

American GI's were told to drink Budweiser while in bars abroad, apparently from the Vietnam War, besause Budweiser made the necks thicker so the bottom could be smashed as an instant weapon.

either you break thebottle to try and play a little game theory, ie mutually assured destruction so that the other guy wont fight, or

you saw your father's peanus when you were young and you recreate this scenario as an adult in the very establish which provides you with the oral anaesthetic to drown your anger at your father's weapon while simultaneously drinking its power. picking onthe other guy happens when the anger gets too much " leave mommy alone, daddy!" is the battle cry of angry youth with a broken bottle in his scarred hand.

if you are the one picked on then it stands to reason that you go for the weapon that most resembles your daddy's power when you're frightened.

maybe its just me, maybe nothing of consequence happens to us after we're six years old.

drink at home.

m0x1e · Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:09 pm Post subject:

<Laughing Head Off>
God but I missed you, man!

Capt. Flame Retardant · Living it up Joined: 28 Jul 2004 Posts: 462

I love when they ask you," do ya want dis boddle in yure face man?" i mean seriously, of course not! what is that says i have everything i want or need in life except well, if you could, id really appreciate it, before you slither back to the shit infested hovel to your sister/wife could you stick that bottle in my face and squish it about? i mean you're obviously as touched by Picasso as i am, so could ya be a pal and shit in the hole in my neck and stub your cigarette out on my genitalia while you're here? i can call you mommy while you do it. it'd be a real favour, and i would just die of happiness, if not of bloodloss.

i have to say though, bringing up freud in bars isnt a great idea; one time i was drunk enough to use the pick up line " you have beautiful lips; they remind me of a vagina, what with all the red lipstick you've used..." people don't want nice, they want consistent!

is it me?!

the_syco · Banned Joined: 03 Feb 2003 Posts: 2041 Location: Leixlip

BRING IT ON!!!

/'me graps big heavy object + lobs it @ their general direction.
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Ragdoll · Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 3:33 pm Post subject:

Geeze people the things that bother ye. In the event I'm conered in a pub I'd probably flash em and hope for the best. Nah! personally I don't like the whole smash the bottle deal but well considering I don't really go to strange pubs that often or cause any stir with strange people and am usually in a big crowd of my friends I don't think I should ever have to worry about it. hopefully.

Buffy · Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 9:36 pm Post subject:

I think it's partially an instinctual thing - you think a blunt object will only bruise whereas a sharp one will cut, and he can still attack if he's bruised. Although I know that plenty of people would just kill you regardless of whether you cut them or not, I think a lot of people will stop at the sight of their own blood.

I'm not saying it's right, just that maybe that's the thought behind it. I think you can do just as much, if not more, damage with a blunt object, something like a pool cue (even broken in half), or ashtray. The pool cue will probably take a few more hits than a bottle before breaking, and even if it does break, chances are the broken parts would still be big enough to wield. The length of the cue could be used to keep someone at a distance - keeping you a few feet out of their range. Likewise, a heavy ashtray can be thrown to distract, hurt, or keep at bay. I don't think I'd try to hit someone while holding it though, I would presume it'd be a bit risky because if you hit them wrong it'd snap your wrist (definitely not an outcome I'd like), although I'm just guessing here.

I think that anyone brandishing a weapon takes a fight to the next level (as corny as that sounds). Rather than maybe wanting to thump you, they're trying to show that they really want to hurt you, and possibly trying to scare you off by making their intent very clear.

I guess people don't know if they can punch/hit/take down other people, but anyone can hit someone with something pointy and make them bleed. And I don't think it's common knowledge that most bottles will cut your own hand more than anyone else, so people still have that movie-type image of "bottle smash=instant weapon."

Maybe we all still want to be in the movies - guy smashes bottle, wins fight without breaking a sweat, winces while the leading lady cleans his artfully placed head wound, and you know the rest...
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